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	<title>Comments on: Secret Santa for Families</title>
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		<title>By: Boz</title>
		<link>http://www.stevebosman.co.uk/blog/2006/12/18/secret-santa-for-families/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Boz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think it would be going too far to suggest that I don't think the best of others when they buy me gifts which have nothing to do with my taste and everything to do with their taste or who I was when I was 18. But from experience most people seem to react in the same way - of course it is a character flaw, but I want to find ways of it not spoiling Christmas.

"The Amazon Recommendations page is a fine example of how badly computers do this sort of thing" - actually I'd say it is a fine example of how bad some programmers and designers are at recognising the need to be cleverer - Amazon in particular needs to understand that some products are functionally the same, oddly this is just what &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?view=stevebosman" rel="nofollow"&gt;LibraryThing&lt;/a&gt; appears to be good at - it knows I have all the paperbacks of Terry Pratchett and doesn't lazily recommend the hardback versions - instead it tries to cast the net a bit wider. In fact the thing I find fascinating is how good it is at suggesting books I've always meant to read, but have not quite got around to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it would be going too far to suggest that I don&#8217;t think the best of others when they buy me gifts which have nothing to do with my taste and everything to do with their taste or who I was when I was 18. But from experience most people seem to react in the same way - of course it is a character flaw, but I want to find ways of it not spoiling Christmas.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Amazon Recommendations page is a fine example of how badly computers do this sort of thing&#8221; - actually I&#8217;d say it is a fine example of how bad some programmers and designers are at recognising the need to be cleverer - Amazon in particular needs to understand that some products are functionally the same, oddly this is just what <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?view=stevebosman" rel="nofollow">LibraryThing</a> appears to be good at - it knows I have all the paperbacks of Terry Pratchett and doesn&#8217;t lazily recommend the hardback versions - instead it tries to cast the net a bit wider. In fact the thing I find fascinating is how good it is at suggesting books I&#8217;ve always meant to read, but have not quite got around to.</p>
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		<title>By: lukebosman</title>
		<link>http://www.stevebosman.co.uk/blog/2006/12/18/secret-santa-for-families/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>lukebosman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right, I don't think Christmas is about giving or receiving. I was writing lazily.

I long ago decided that some of the few genuine surprises at Christmas come from one particular wing of the family. It's an awkward situation, I prefer surprises and really appreciate people going off list: when they get it right then they demonstrate a genuine knowledge of me. Unfortunately perhaps, the more I possess the harder it becomes for others to satisfy this desire: it is no secret, for example, that I rather like Julian Barnes, James and Buffy. Yet I would not be particularly grateful for a second copy of "Arthur and George", "Laid" or Buffy season 1.

In the ideal world, givers would be sufficiently close to receivers to see what I like and to fill in the gaps. The Amazon Recommendations page is a fine example of how badly computers do this sort of thing (that company is keen to recommend to me several subtly different editions of "Fellowship of the Ring", the paperback edition of "Arthur and George" and Buffy season 1 in its new, cheaper, packaging).

Perhaps one of the greatest presents I can remember receiving was a day driving a Formula Ford around Three Sisters Race Circuit. However, if I were to receive that present again the surprise and the pleasure would be less.

Two final points: is it not perhaps a little strong to suggest that you would be "thinking ill of others because of [their] gifts"? And "I'm a surprise loathing [...] man" could be read as a man who surprises people yet loathes: one of those situations where a hyphen is genuinely useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, I don&#8217;t think Christmas is about giving or receiving. I was writing lazily.</p>
<p>I long ago decided that some of the few genuine surprises at Christmas come from one particular wing of the family. It&#8217;s an awkward situation, I prefer surprises and really appreciate people going off list: when they get it right then they demonstrate a genuine knowledge of me. Unfortunately perhaps, the more I possess the harder it becomes for others to satisfy this desire: it is no secret, for example, that I rather like Julian Barnes, James and Buffy. Yet I would not be particularly grateful for a second copy of &#8220;Arthur and George&#8221;, &#8220;Laid&#8221; or Buffy season 1.</p>
<p>In the ideal world, givers would be sufficiently close to receivers to see what I like and to fill in the gaps. The Amazon Recommendations page is a fine example of how badly computers do this sort of thing (that company is keen to recommend to me several subtly different editions of &#8220;Fellowship of the Ring&#8221;, the paperback edition of &#8220;Arthur and George&#8221; and Buffy season 1 in its new, cheaper, packaging).</p>
<p>Perhaps one of the greatest presents I can remember receiving was a day driving a Formula Ford around Three Sisters Race Circuit. However, if I were to receive that present again the surprise and the pleasure would be less.</p>
<p>Two final points: is it not perhaps a little strong to suggest that you would be &#8220;thinking ill of others because of [their] gifts&#8221;? And &#8220;I&#8217;m a surprise loathing [...] man&#8221; could be read as a man who surprises people yet loathes: one of those situations where a hyphen is genuinely useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Boz</title>
		<link>http://www.stevebosman.co.uk/blog/2006/12/18/secret-santa-for-families/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Boz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 08:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignoring the fact that I don't believe Christmas is either about the giving or receiving of presents (and I think you probably don't either, something about Jesus being born to save us :-) ), I think my point is I want the givers to be treated far more graciously than my current experience. If there is a relative who traditionally gives unwanted presents I want people to treat those gifts as a generous thought rather than bitching about them. I don't want to thank people for giving me gift X - I want to thank people for giving me a gift.

Opinions on the Wii will follow at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignoring the fact that I don&#8217;t believe Christmas is either about the giving or receiving of presents (and I think you probably don&#8217;t either, something about Jesus being born to save us <img src='http://www.stevebosman.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ), I think my point is I want the givers to be treated far more graciously than my current experience. If there is a relative who traditionally gives unwanted presents I want people to treat those gifts as a generous thought rather than bitching about them. I don&#8217;t want to thank people for giving me gift X - I want to thank people for giving me a gift.</p>
<p>Opinions on the Wii will follow at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: lukebosman</title>
		<link>http://www.stevebosman.co.uk/blog/2006/12/18/secret-santa-for-families/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>lukebosman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In some ways I take your point (a little late, perhaps, as I only came this way for your opinions on the Wii) but my issue with this is that I like to be able to thank the giver of a present. Besides, isn't Christmas about giving rather than receiving?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some ways I take your point (a little late, perhaps, as I only came this way for your opinions on the Wii) but my issue with this is that I like to be able to thank the giver of a present. Besides, isn&#8217;t Christmas about giving rather than receiving?</p>
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